PayPal tries back door route to PayPal-only eBay UK
By Ed | July 8th, 2008 | Category: Pay Online, PayPal, eBay, eBay AU, eBay UK |
Despite everything that eBay UK Trust & Safety markets about links in emails, PayPal UK sent me a marketing email last night offering several tantalising buttons to click.
The one that caught my eye was the teasing tagline of -
You list on eBay and we’ll pay your fees
PayPal is offering six lucky eBay sellers the chance to have their combined eBay and PayPal fees paid for them. For a year!
Having thoroughly checked the mail header to ensure it was from PayPal, I clicked through and was given the following explanation -
PayPal is offering six lucky eBay sellers the chance to have their combined eBay and PayPal fees* paid for them. For a year!
Think of the savings you can make. It amounts to a huge reduction in your monthly outgoings.
And entry couldn’t be easier.
To qualify
- Entrants must accept PayPal as their only payment method for any items sold on eBay.co.uk after registering for the promotion
- Make sure you register with the email address tied to your PayPal account and that your eBay account is linked to that PayPal account
- Simply register by clicking on the orange button
* The fees paid will be eBay Insertion Fees, eBay Final Valuation Fees and PayPal Transaction Fees paid during 2008 by the registrant for items sold on eBay.co.uk
So the meat of it is that entrants must offer ONLY PAYPAL in their eBay listings for the rest of the year, and then they MIGHT be lucky enough to win the promotion and get all their fees back. Ummm … thanks but no thanks, there are several considerations here.
First, is that this is effectively a lottery. Under the conditions of the UK Consumer Credit Licensing Authority (as enforced by UK Trading Standards) it is prohibited to operate lottery-based incentives with any financial product or service - read the terms of your consumer credit license guys … assuming you have one.
Second, is that the loss of sales to those customers who do not, can not, or will not, use PayPal (for me) would be a long-term loss greater than a refund of the much reduced eBay fees I’ll be paying this year (see yesterday’s blog post). I would much prefer to acquire and retain that particular customer set, as they give me at least a partial independence from the eBay-PayPal hegemony.
Third, is that this stinks to the high heavens of eBay Corporate attempting a back door route for that which they failed to do in Australia this last few months.
The Australian ACCC basically blocked eBay and PayPal from making that site PayPal-only on competition grounds, and considerations of third line forcing (making the provision of service from eBay conditional upon paying for service from a nominated third party, PayPal, causing the consumer and the seller to have increased costs). They are effectively using the same intent with this promotion, but offering it in a voluntary-acceptance manner, in order to avoid the backlashes that have so severely damaged their operations downunder.
Don’t be fooled folks, if you sign up for this promotion, you will be giving them ammunition with which to implement, in the UK, that which they failed to implement in Australia.
Ed
Interesting post Ed, only thing that is missing is the information to report this violation of UK Trading Standards.
From UK Office of Fair Trading Consumer Credit licensing pages
Businesses requiring a licence
You are likely to need a licence if you want to:
* sell on credit
* hire or lease out goods for more than three months
* lend money
* issue credit cards or trading checks
* arrange credit for others
* offer hire purchase terms
* collect debts
* help people with debt problems
* advise on people’s credit standing
* administer agreements (but do not collect debts) for creditors or assignees (from October 2008, you can apply for the licence from 6 April)
* help individuals to locate and correct records about their financial standing (from October 2008, you can apply for the licence from 6 April).
(Elements in bold by me as they are activities in which PayPal engages - particularly providing financial and credit information about PayPal customers, to eBay = a licensable activity)
In terms of are PayPal fit to hold a CCL - there are some interesting topics in this pdf document if reading it as a “disgruntled” PayPal customer.
Interestingly, that pdf document also details a reason why eBay UK needs at least a category C CCL - introducing customers to companies that offer credit (i.e. the PayPal credit card). This is because of the way eBay forces users to open PayPal accounts, as such it makes them fall under the requirement for a Cat C license to introduce consumers to a business (PayPal) that offers credit.
Also according to that document, the eBay UPI and NPB process could now fall under the need for a Cat D license for both eBay UK and PayPal UK (assisting individuals to negotiate and settle debts (i.e. unpaid auction wins or BIN purchases))
Regarding PayPal, the biggies of course are categories H1, H, and I - as evidenced by eBay statements to the ACCC, there is a clear separation of eBay and PayPal as bodies corporate, yet there is also a clear commercial agreement between them for the collection and distribution of credit-worthiness and similar data relating to individuals.
Both PayPal and eBay have need to hold CCLs with category H1 or H, plus I.
All the above does in this context is prove they both need to be licensed. Once licensed, they become subject to all the vagaries of the Consumer Credit Act and its amendments and revisions.
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UK Office of Fair Trading (OFT) portal page for Consumer Credit Licensing (CCL) and the Consumer Credit Act (CCA) 1974, 2006, and 2008 =
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Ed
I’m wondering if the UK OFT is even marginally aware of the antics of eBay and PayPal, or of their significance to SME Britain?
One thing’s for sure, the more PayPal tie up with airlines and the like, the more chance of them coming a cropper.
Wonder if the airlines have to go through the anti-money laundering rigamarole after receiving £1,500 of payments? Or if it’s one rule for them and another rule for the little folks?
I sent them an email:
Dear Sir/Madam,
I was wondering if you could advise whether eBay’s policy to FORCE all
users to accept Paypal, and not allow them to use other reputable
companies such as Google, is legal?
I am aware that in Australia this practice was deemed as illegal as it
was against their anti-trust laws
(http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/823668), and it is
also not being forced upon eBay’s american users.
Below are two emails I received after listing some items with eBay and
stipulating I did not want to accept Paypal. The details stipulating
the requirement for Paypal is at
http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/policies/accepted-payments-policy.html.
This is different than their american site
(http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/accepted-payments-policy.html).
As eBay provides a different service than what Paypal does (selling as
opposed to processing of payments), surely forcing users to accept
both should not be allowed?
Should you require any further details, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Thank you for your time,
Dr. Hasan.