
Yesterday, 29th January, in a heated discussion on the eBay UK Q&A discussion board, eBay UK’s Head of Trust and Safety, Richard Ambrose, blurted out several admissions that collectively reveal a hidden agenda behind the new eBay Feedback Policy for 2008.
Ambrose, notorious with UK PowerSellers for posting in an insulting and dismissive manner (in eBay forums) regarding the concerns of eBay’s paying customers (the sellers) has previously been marked by sellers for directly lying to them in forum discussions.
Previous such incidents include the infamous cutting of trans-Atlantic visibility last February. Initially he posted a query thread asking who had seen traffic reductions (because “Google have changed their search criteria algorithms”), then he tried to blame it on sellers failing to regularly provide fresh content on the static pages of their eBay Shops, before finally coming clean (a month after the event) and declaring the trans-Atlantic visibility cut.
That deception cost him an appearance on BBC TV’s Watchdog consumer affairs programme, but worse was to come. He later admitted in forum that not only had he been privy to the decision to cut the visibility, but had been one of the instigators of it - that post has now been deleted from the eBay forums. All this was when his role was in UK Search & Finding, at which time he announced himself as Head of Natural Search.
Another previous occasion related to the U-turn on visibility of shops in core search and browse, which for the UK was actioned in August 2006, immediately before an increase in stores listing and final value fees. Initially Ambrose empathised with sellers, never stating he was against the move, but giving the impression of such whilst stating he had to follow the company communication rule on the issue, and support the company’s stance.
Yesterday, in response to a question by eBay seller “secretgoth“, “Can you explain, for I must be thick, just how, when a seller account is restricted, they are going to get buyers to withdraw negs? Well other than the current bribery and freebies that is. How will a mutual withdrawal work if buyers don’t have anything to withdraw? Absolutely no incentive for a buyer to withdraw feedback now so how exactly please, is a seller supposed to get the unfair (from what I’ve seen anyway)restrictions lifted?”
Ambrose replied, “There isn’t going to be a mutual feedback withdrawal process anymore, obviously. Sellers will either be able to appeal a neg to us, which we’ll remove if it’s abusive or defamatory, or initiate an Unpaid Item process - and if the buyer doesn’t respond to that, their neg will be removed.”

Screen shot - in case this post gets culled like so many of Mr Ambrose’s previous posts that admitted or said something eBay later became embarrassed about. Click screen shot to go to he thread.
Apart from being a totally worthless response for dealing with post-payment abuse and problems from buyers (such as feedback blackmail), this is essentially saying that less than 0.0001% of unfair negatives will be removed, as most buyers know about the “abusive or defamatory” ruling, so if they want feedback to stick, they simply use clean, though unfair, comments. As such it displays a clear and recognisable awareness that eBay knew beforehand that the new system, arriving in a few months, would directly affect sellers’ sales, revenue, and discounts. One therefore has to question if the new feedback rules are a deliberate policy to reduce or avoid eBay’s having to apply discounts to sellers’ invoices?
I can already hear some of the responses, even before I post this blog article, “why would eBay cut their own bottom line by doing this?”. The simple answer is that they won’t.
Quite apart from the genuine fee increases just announced, over time, possibly even before the next Christmas season starts, so many sellers will have been affected by the destruction of their feedback and DSR ratings, that the majority will be in the same boat of ineligibility for PowerSeller status and discounts, and suppressed visibility in search and browse. As each “clean” set of sellers rise to the top and pick up the lions share of sales, they’ll get hammered by unreasonable buyers and trade wreckers, and fall to the bottom of the heap, then a different set will float up to receive the same treatment, and so it will cycle.
eBay will have to keep adjusting the thresholds downwards, and the seller exodus will become a flood due to increased costs and collapsed revenues. A lucky few will be able to stay at the top (possibly the same ones there today and who get invites to all the smooch-eBay events?) but everyone else will be picking banquet crumbs from the ditches and gutters around eBay Towers.
The new rule that Sellers can only leave positive feedback was “sort of” pre-announced last year, when eBay announced they would be taking drastic measures to curb unfair and retaliatory negative feedback, however, no-one could have predicted the move they have taken, which completely throws out one of the founding systems introduced by Pierre Omidyar at the start-up of eBay, and which even Bill Cobb acknowledged as one of the company’s growth engines, when he announced the change two days ago. So Why change a winning formula?
Well, Cobb explained that retaliatory negative feedback has grown four-fold since 2004 - he did not state if this was as a percentage of total, or simply a raw number. If it was the latter, then any analyst worth their salt would retort that it was obvious that would happen given eBay’s membership growth in the last four years
as well as due to the new “less prime” markets they have moved into in that time - it’s hardly rocket science, is it? Interestingly, Ambrose claims that sellers leave five times more retaliatory negatives than buyers do - why the disagreement on multiples?
If it was a percentage of all feedback, then what other policy changes have eBay introduced that may have led to increased retaliatory feedback from sellers to buyers? Ummm …. DSRs? Increased reliance on PayPal as a source of chargebacks payment? Seller saturation leading to slimmer pickings? Lack of Buyer Verification and Education? Accelerating restrictions on seller activity? VeRO? Generally upsetting sellers and making them less tolerant of buyer stupidity? Increased attractiveness for fraudulent buyers to use eBay and blackmail sellers by using the systems eBay put in place? The program to penalise P&P gougers that also battered overseas sellers already disadvantaged by location? In reality, the answer is all of the above. eBay created the problems by introducing change, and now they are compounding them with the latest changes.
With last August’s rule that neutrals = negative, and the introduction that if 5% or more of feedback in a month are non-positive, the seller receives selling restrictions, the opportunity for business wrecking just went into overdrive now that sellers cannot admonish (or hold in check) unreasonable buyers by using feedback - and that’s what most sellers are complaining about.
Richard Ambrose himself, and remember he’s Head of UK Trust & Safety, admitted yesterday that he fully expects seller feedback value to drop across the board. In post #159 of this thread, he admitted,”Yes, I think we’ll see an increase in the % of feedback that is negative, but for the most part that will simply make it easier to spot bad sellers, who will accumulate many more of them.“
In post # 275, he added, “Sellers are just scared of being negged more - which they will be.“ Well thank God he recognises that much! But does he also recognise how this and other changes will directly reduce most sellers’ profits from eBay? Perhaps even to the point of making eBay a co-respondent in defraudment cases? Let’s be honest, eBay doesn’t have a sparkly reputation when it comes to weeding out fraudulent buyers, let alone sellers, does it?
This is tantamount to a direct confession that eBay knows the new policy will cause direct pecuniary loss for almost all sellers by way of lowered positive feedback percentage disqualifying them from PowerSeller, and thus invoice-discount, status. At what point does this become conspiracy to defraud? Could someone advise please?
eBay’s dressed up announcements of fanfared fee cuts are nothing more than a P.T. Barnum lie. If you ignore all the hype about the fee changes, and look at the other announcements that will qualify who can and can’t get the discounts on final value fees, and who can and can’t become/remain a PowerSeller, you’ll see that all the non-fee announcements are designed to massively cull the candidates receiving reduced invoices.
Forgetting momentarily the tiered FVF discounts by DSR or PowerSeller level, and we know eBay has made several moves in the last 2 years designed to shuffle everyone down the ladder for PowerSellers, even out of the PowerSeller program altogether, we start with the newest rules directly affecting PowerSellers. Remember, only PowerSellers will be eligible for the discounts.
First, to become/remain a PowerSeller, a seller MUST register as a business user before May 2008. There will be an appeals system for those who are genuinely not businesses (e.g. clearing the contents of an inherited house, or of their own private collections or attic), however, the implications from announcements and forum posts is that they will be unable to sell between becoming PowerSeller qualified and finalising the non-business appeal. A great many sellers have objected to this condition, as blogged in the previous post.
So that means any genuinely non-business, otherwise-qualifying, seller will receive the full rate of the fee hikes, and no discounts - that’s a large number of sellers. As countless eBay forum posts have pointed out - despite the “eBay maths”, the real world maths show that they are genuinely fee increases and not Bill Cobb’s “marginal reduction in take for eBay” (unless he’s referring to the reduction in seller numbers using eBay?). No surprise on the spin about that one really.
From the moment eBay dreamed up this fee increase + discount announcement, they knew there would be huge numbers of personal sellers that would not qualify. This is blatently obvious just by looking at the qualification criteria for the discounts. Therefore the very wording of the webcast announcement from the eCommerce Forum is questionable as to whether it was legally misleading or not.
Secondly, of those who will remain initially eligible for the discounts, with the heavy percentile of users being towards the smaller rates of discount, how many will still be eligible by mid-summer? The compulsory PowerSeller registration as business sellers, has already led to swathes of sellers stating they will quit eBay if they are forced to display their name and address on every listing. This is because many are legitimate, tax-paying businesses that operate from home, that do not want non-buyers discovering their home address details. As several pointed out, the moment they put their eBay shop settings into “holiday mode”, the burglars and thieves will be queuing up at their door. Because this topic had heavy discussion in eBay forums when the business seller program was introduced two years ago, eBay had foreknowledge that a lot of sellers would likely quit or forego the business registration, thus reducing the discount eligibility numbers.
Next comes the DSRs again - even eBay acknowledged that the busier your selling, the lower your DSR rating falls for things like despatch time and P&P charges. High volume sellers need time to pick and pack products (slowing despatch) and by law have to add sales tax or VAT onto their P&P charges (as a service it is taxable) while in the EU the purchase of postage from the post office carries no VAT to offset against the VAT charged to customers - this means VAT registered sellers will automatically be nett 17.5% more expensive than non-registered, and generally their DSRs reflect this. So that’s another bunch of sellers that eBay knew would receive lower or no discounts.
The compulsory business registration program, is in my opinion, less about cleaning the site and improving the buyer experience, than it is about reducing seller numbers in total, whilst simultaneously reducing eBay’s exposure to discounted invoices liability. Almost without exception, every eBay UK forum expounds that eBay is a business dedicated to making money for its shareholders, in preference to making it for its sellers. This is a direct contradiction to the message delivered from John Donahoe and Bill Cobb at this week’s eCommerce Forum. Either the eBay top executives are in cuckoo land when they ask us to believe that they believe eBay’s success is directly tied to the success of sellers, or they are so out of touch with what their foreign marketplaces are up to, that they spend most of their time in offices with padded walls and no telephones, dreamily believing the company still adheres to the altruistic values stated by Omidyar back in 1995.
The percentage of sellers who believe eBay policies are exclusively for the benefit of eBay and “sod the paying customers” has never been so high as witnessed this week following the announcements. Almost every forum thread, on eBay about the changes, is dripping with vitriol, angst, desperation, frustration, or plain old uncertainty of the future. The declarations of deliberate intent to non-comply, or to sidestep and twist, several of the changes, are almost as common as the announcements of quitting eBay or never leaving feedback ever again for a buyer. Change? Yup, eBay are certainly driving that amongst their formerly good sellers. Wonder if the bad ones will change as drastically?
In closing this post (I have to publish it before it becomes War and Peace) I’ll leave the last word to Richard Ambrose, remember - he’s the Head of Trust & Safety at eBay UK, who, in a forum response here, uses a classic eBay double-speak to launch a forewarning that buyers are going to be encouraged to leave negative feedback for sellers, and for the slightest problem….
He said, “These changes aren’t designed to ‘target sellers’, however they may feel. They’re to keep buyers coming back to and bidding on the site, and as such ought to benefit everyone in the long run.
We absolutely want buyers to be able to neg without fear, so that bad sellers are identified more rapidly and clearly and can be either reduced in visibility or removed from the site altogether. At the moment, feedback isn’t fulfilling that purpose, and we think the changes will restore its role as a means of highlighting danger for buyers.”
…… more opinion & analysis of the 2008 changes to eBay worldwide will keep arriving over the weekend. Don’t forget to add your comments to this post.
Ed